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Overall Rating
2.75

Awesome: 6.82%
Worth A Look: 15.15%
Just Average34.09%
Pretty Crappy34.09%
Sucks: 9.85%

12 reviews, 60 user ratings



Ocean's Twelve
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by Jay Seaver

"[Should be better than] Good enough."
3 stars

It's almost pointless to try and dissect Ocean's Twelve, because contradiction is inevitable with an average film. It's overstuffed, with too many characters and plot points and goofy cameos, but at the same time, it's one of the most fluffy, airy movies you'll ever see. It's loose and silly but never quite carefree. It's one of the most cleverly self-aware movies you'll ever see, but doesn't quite make that pay off as much as it perhaps should.

The movie's biggest problem is that it just has too many characters. When trying to name all eleven of "Ocean's Eleven", I wind up falling one
short, and this movie being a sequel expects familiarity. It feels like sort of a cheat to shuffle Carl Reiner and Bernie Mac offstage for much of the movie, even though it does help clear up the gridlock. Still, why not some of the Casey Affleck/Scott Caan/Eddie Jemison group who are tough to tell apart and don't even have the tiny little "likes having his nails
done" quirk of Mac's character? (That is, basically, the extent of his personality.)

Whittle away the excess, and there's a good movie hiding underneath. That movie's about a master thief (Brad Pitt) and a beautiful detective (Catherine Zeta-Jones) who are drawn to each other despite knowing the danger they represent. Their meet-cute, first dates, split (well, Pitt's Rusty runs out on Zeta-Jones's Isabel when she finds clues that would tie him to a heist), flirtations and recriminations are sprinkled through the movie, not necessarily in order, and those are the main places where the movie sparks. Rusty Ryan was sort of a glib cipher in the previous movie, and the way this movie opens up the character isn't always obvious. The only times we see Rusty make mistakes are around Isabel, but the movie doesn't hammer this home in an obvious manner. Similarly, a line that could put their characters in sharper perspective - Rusty asking Isabel whether she got a rush from lifting his cell phone - is casually tossed off. I kind of like that these characters' definitive moments are of the blink-and-you-miss-it variety, though - it fits who they are.

The thing is, director Steven Soderbergh has already made a movie about a cop and a crook attracted to each other, and made it well (Out of Sight). It's a common formula, and Soderbergh winds up diluting it pretty severely to hide it - very little else in the movie does much to grab the audience. George Clooney's Danny Ocean is almost a sidekick in this movie, as is Matt Damon's Linus Caldwell. There's still plenty of humor to be mined from his youth and nervousness, even as he visualizes himself a leader. And, hey, that's more than virtually everyone else in the cast gets. Then, of course, there's the plot, involving the casino manager robbed the last time out (Andy Garcia) demanding repayment, which itself is only a ploy to pit the gang against a master thief (Vincent Cassel) offended by their infamy. It's very silly, and the final resolution is something of a cheat, but it provides a loose framework for the jokes.

Which are mostly good. They're isolated, and some of the pop-culture based ones may wind up dating badly (although the line in His Girl Friday about his ex's fiancé reminding Walter Burns of Ralph Bellamy still holds up sixty-odd years later, so who knows), but mostly the jokes amuse. On the four-star scale, the movie gets two and three quarters, and if I wanted to use a more granular scale, it would get closer to three. It would be higher if the caper aspects were stronger; as it stands, they're just barely present.

Make this movie with unknowns, and there's a very real possibility that it scores higher with the same script and same performances. But this isn't an indie or Euro-film showing unexpected skill; it's a movie with more movie stars than characters, an exceptional director, and a very good predecessor. This sets the bar higher, and it's a level that Ocean's Twelve can't quite reach.

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originally posted: 01/11/05 18:22:46
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User Comments

6/09/10 Serge I think it was just a filler between 11 and 13 3 stars
3/28/08 Renzo Sucks! 1 stars
6/05/07 gr117 Great soundtrack & location shots- too bad the "plot" sucked 2 stars
3/16/07 Donny M Julia Roberts Scene Stupid 3 stars
1/23/07 Matt Thirteen Oceans of unadulterated crap. Gave up after 30 mins. 1 stars
11/30/06 Candice I love this movie. 5 stars
9/12/06 Agent Sands You have to be a hardcore fan of heist movies to really enjoy it the way I do! What a ride! 5 stars
7/24/06 Sully tripe. Damon was great, everyone else was boring. ending was ridiculous! 1 stars
7/07/06 CTT The cast definitely has a better time than the audience 3 stars
5/06/06 Charlene Javier Not as bad as everyone says it is... 3 stars
2/15/06 Indrid Cold Much of the chemistry and laughs of the first one, plot somewhat weaker though. 4 stars
11/24/05 Jacques the Man Actually, this is the most entertaining film I've seen all year. 5 stars
8/27/05 Lisa Brady terribly unbelievable 2 stars
7/31/05 Beth Kerrick Was disappointed it wasn't as good as the original. Not bad, but not great. 3 stars
7/13/05 Matthew Rudawsky Julia Roberts as herself was clever, but I wouldn't bother seeing the rest a 2nd time 3 stars
6/28/05 chimera Uninspired disaster 1 stars
6/24/05 Mr Fluffy Script not as tight as Eleven but directorially it's still up there with it. 4 stars
6/23/05 Adonis Fuentes Dumb dance sequence through the lasers 3 stars
6/07/05 Agent Sands You have to be a devout fan of heist & con flicks to really enjoy it. What a ride! 5 stars
5/24/05 Casey Becher A typical, disappointing sequel 2 stars
5/21/05 Charlene Javier Great inside jokes! 3 stars
5/17/05 mysterio Very boring movie. 2 stars
5/12/05 edsandiego2 I find it very entertaining. 4 stars
5/11/05 Beardog8 Love Soderbergh, but this was a let down from all involved. 2 stars
4/29/05 Phil M. Aficionado 40 minutes in, I decided this was not worth watching. What exactly was the point? 2 stars
4/27/05 Uncle Salty Worthless, %90 soundtrack, %10 movie 1 stars
4/23/05 Dan Ok movie, original one was better and always will be. 3 stars
4/23/05 Quigley we would need shovels - no, tractors! - to heap the bullcrap higher. Brad, we've had enough 1 stars
4/22/05 Monster W. Kung Crappy and uninteresting, and the twist sucks like a hoover. 2 stars
4/14/05 Scott Lamont Very anoying and hard to follow, even harder to swallow. 3 stars
4/06/05 brody what a bootleg film 1 stars
3/25/05 Denise good 4 stars
2/12/05 Sylvia Belle I enjoyted this one very much 5 stars
2/11/05 Kelly Self-indulgent, Ego-driven BORE of a Movie. The "aren't we awesome" posturing fell flat. 2 stars
2/11/05 John Jankowski very very average.. 3 stars
2/01/05 Casey Becher A pathetic attempt at a sequel. Sometimes it's better to stop while you're ahead. 3 stars
1/15/05 Feliciano this is what a real boring movie is, a movie with actually nothing interesting. 1 stars
1/08/05 Agent Sands FOR PEOPLE WHO LOVE HEIST MOVIES!!!!!!! SURPRISINGLY EQUIVALENT TO "ELEVEN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 stars
1/07/05 Elizabeth S Star cameo provides the movie's best moments; pretty charmless. 2 stars
1/04/05 redhand a terrable movie, pointless 1 stars
1/04/05 malcolm excellent, witty dialogue; but ending was a cheat 3 stars
1/02/05 Danno the Movie Manno Should have given Bruce Willis a bigger role 1 stars
12/27/04 efrain as one magazine put it: PEOPLE MAGAZINE COMES TO LIFE. 4 stars
12/27/04 Mike V What a boring, glitzy, empty, mess of a movie. 2 stars
12/19/04 Koitus Ugh! Cheesy details on "how the 12 did it." Identified criminals identities "too" easily. 2 stars
12/18/04 Lisa totally crappy 1 stars
12/16/04 Jack Ocean's 12 is a piece of crap. Soderbergh apparently wants to sully his reputation. 1 stars
12/16/04 Carl Utterback Amusing diversion if you liked the characters (and actors) from Ocean's 11. 4 stars
12/14/04 Elizabeth Bates Great Film!!!! 5 stars
12/14/04 Elizabeth Boring and uninspired, save for a few humorous bits. 2 stars
12/14/04 Mikester Vincent Cassel rocks ! 4 stars
12/12/04 KingNeutron I enjoyed it, espec. the "JR lookalike" subplot. ;-) 4 stars
12/12/04 rich a little too cute on itself and not enough PLOT 2 stars
12/11/04 Scott like The Village--you find out the "secret", but wish you hadn't 3 stars
12/11/04 ajay some funny moments, but overall... boring. 2 stars
12/11/04 Andrew If you don't like Ocean's 12 your too self conscience 5 stars
12/11/04 Kristina Williams celebrity whorefest 2 stars
12/11/04 Bob Kolk Not since Lost in Translation have I had a stronger urge to get up and leave a theater. 1 stars
12/10/04 John Very good movie 5 stars
12/07/04 Ray Big deal 3 stars
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USA
  10-Dec-2004 (PG-13)
  DVD: 12-Apr-2005

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Australia
  09-Dec-2004




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